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Merge Mercenary Camps and Watchtower[edit source]

This discussion has been moved to Talk:Mercenary camps, under the header Merge. Please continue the discussion there.

Right now the page for Watchtower is pretty tiny right now and I don't see the page for Mercenary Camps getting much much bigger so I propose that these two are merged as "Secondary Objectives". By consolidating information, we can more effectively give concise information on all topics about the game and to create a nice framework going forward on this wiki. EvilAndrex (talk) 09:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't think Secondary Objectives is really that clear. Maybe Neutral Objectives or Neutrals? --User:Lancey6 (talk) 09:46, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I was wondering if anybody knows the offical Heroes of the Storm Release ? I found some information here: Heroes of the Storm Release

Updated Heroes Lists[edit source]

Can we get some updated hero information, sites like Born2Storm.com have good information, let's group together and get a great list on here too! I have found this page Heroes Page but it wasn't easy to find, could we get it into the navigation do you think? -- User:EarlHarr (talk) 12:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Links to Hero data on pages?[edit source]

I think we should provide links to Hero data pages from their wiki pages, so that users could access and edit it quickly in case of an update or change. On the downside, it would make it easier to vandalize, but that's a risk that comes with them being on a wiki anyway. Thoughts? --User:Lancey6 (talk) 19:32, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Hero Pricing[edit source]

It would be very helpful to have hero pricing available on their respective pages. Both gold and real money prices would allow for viewers to know how much to spend to obtain heroes, without having to log onto HotS or going to other sites.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwendt45 (talkcontribs) 15:40, 25 June 2014‎

It would be nice to see a history of the balance changes that each hero has gone through, similar to how the dota wiki does it. (Sorry I've never posted on a wiki thing before, don't know what I am doing)

Talent & Skill tables[edit source]

I would love to update the talents and skillsets on some heroes, but I can't figure out how to access those tables.
Could someone explain how to do this? — (talk) 07:47, 25 March 2015‎ (UTC)

Same as above. I was watching HGC this weekend and noticed some talents were out of date (a patch or 2 back) and would love to update them, but when I go to edit, it just says it's from the "Talent Template" and offers me the choice to edit the template, but no way to edit the actual talents. — Hesjingixen (talk) 17:10, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
You need to go to their Data page to edit skills and talent info. It is transcluded into the page of each hero. e.g. Arthas' data: Data:Champions/Arthas.
{{ Hero infobox datapage = Data:Champions/Arthas }}
Rmkane (talk) 18:57, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Talent tables would look a lot better if the talent icon was separated from the text.A single talent box would look like this: |X|Text| with X being the icon.
I don't know much about tables but if it's possible I would definitely like to learn it. Vampirered39 (talk) 13:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Add Release Date Field to Hero Biography Infoboxes[edit source]

Wiki Contributors: You need to start adding in RELEASE DATE information for ALL heroes. This is literally essential information, and should never have been overlooked. Hero pages are like biographies - and bio's have DATE OF BIRTH information.

Every player at some point will ask themselves questions like: "I wonder when the next hero will be released?", or "I wonder who the oldest/newest heroes are?"

Guess what? You can't answer these questions without a DATE FIELD being inluded in EVERY SINGLE hero biography. ALL Wikipedia Biographies include dates - from dates of birth, to dates of creation, etc. START ADDING DATES. This is archiving 101 people. JustLetMeEdit (talk) 02:12, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

While I agree that dates should be added, the way you are forcing this, is not the way. The way Wikis work is by collaborative effort, as in, if you see something is missing, add it yourself and not by telling others what you want added. Also, adding blank lines of information to an article is bad and I reverted all of them. If you yourself do not know the date, don't add an empty line. And finnally, the place where you added the "Release date: ______" is not the correct spot either. It should have been the last line of the lead and written in prose, not as a standalone paragraph at the top of the place, disregarding other hatnote templates. --Celellach (talk) 10:54, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Agreed: Wikis do work by collaborative effort - everyone contributes what they can in order to complete a task far greater than any person could do alone. My recommendation is exactly that. Some people contribute by adding artwork, lore, grammar, or references to already-added information. Some people (like myself) contribute by telling other people what to add - otherwise known as management. Groups of people do not usually operate with significant levels of organization, and so important details are left completely forgotten (like dates). This is when management acts to correct the mistake before it spins wildly out of control and causes problems. It may sound rude or high-and-mighty, but it is simply a required necessity.
I have already done this - by myself - for a completely different game called Warframe. If you check their official Wiki site, you will find that ~62% of the 'Heroes' have "Release Date" information. How come the other 38% don't? Because it took 2.8 years after the game released before I started playing and - in that time - no one else ever thought to add release date information. It took me numerous hours to parse through hundreds of almost 3-year-old references and, in the end, I only managed to find accurate dates for most of them.
If I had not come along, Warframe would probably still, to this day, not know when their Heroes were released. The point isn't to sound conceited - it is to point out that if you simply delete my efforts on this Wiki, and wait around for "someone else to do the work", it will NEVER GET DONE. That is why management is required. That is why we need to have a 'blank line' of some sort for people to fill in. Everyone should already know how compelling 'blank boxes' are to humans; they will tell you practically anything you want to know if you pose your question in the form of a fill-in-the-blank. But if you don't have that blank, they will NEVER ANSWER YOU, because you NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION.
I am a 2-day old player as of now, and I simply don't want to dedicate hours of my time to looking up information other people may be able to answer much easier than I. You guys know the game; you guys probably know how best to find this information. For example: Blizzard press-releases, forum posts, etc.
Heroes of the Storm has been played since Jan. 13, 2015. In those 194+ days and 39 Hero releases, no one has bothered to keep track of even one single date. It is so easy to keep track of them as each Hero is released - if we begin the process now. But if we wait 3 years, the task will become almost impossible.
Let's turn this boat around now before it gets lost at sea.
P.S. I only noticed on re-reading that you mentioned adding date information on the last line of a lead in prose. I take your meaning as example:
"...Leoric was released on July 21, 2015"
While I agree this is the best way to record the information, journalistic-ally, I personally believe a Field > Value method is the most usable form for this information. For example:
"Release Date: July 21, 2015" or "Released: 2015/07/21" as per international date format. The reasoning, as mentioned, is that this format is much more easily accessed for data compilation (harvesting/screen scraping) and can be automated. Manually inputting a sentence-structure date format is unnecessarily difficult to use, and there is no potential for validation rules; i.e.: 2015/07/21 vs 07/21/2015. Wikipedia uses this methodology already in their biographical pages (which is what Hero pages are most similar to). Because Wikipedia uses a Field > Value entry method, it is able to automatically calculate current ages of living people. This would not be possible with an end-of-sentence prose entry.
My apologies if I come off brash or rude - it isn't meant that way, just like my capitalization isn't real 'yelling'. I'm not trying to nitpick the method of Date entry either: I honestly believe adding it as part of the Infobox is very important for people like me who like to automatically screen-scrape data, and pre-formatted boxes makes this much easier.JustLetMeEdit (talk) 02:12, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree that some people should be mangers. Contributing is done by adding new stuff or cleaning existing things, its not done by telling others that new stuff should be added or existing things should be changed. While its true that I might know the dates better than you, I'm still doing this on my own free time and I'm not getting paid for it, as such, I tend to add things on my list and not things on other people's list. If you think something is missing, the best place to say so is on the talk page of the relevant page, where others can see what is you want added, why its important and when you asked for it (to make sure its still relevant). As for the infobox problem, I agree it needs to be more edit-friendly. --Celellach (talk) 22:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Asking for Help[edit source]

My question is: Where do you have to go to make edits to a Hero's infobox?

For example on Leoric's page I cannot edit/add values to his infobox. I tried to "Edit Source", but quickly realized there is some transclusion going on. Following the trail of bread crumbs led me to the Hero Infobox template page, which led me to the Hero Data template page. I tried adding in support for a "date" parameter, however this also did absolutely nothing.

Finally I found what I thought was the correct page: Leoric's Champion Data Page, however changing ANY of the parameters on this page does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to Leoric's infobox. Why?

SOLUTION: So it seems the Leoric's Champion Data Page is actually the correct place to modify information. I don't know why it didn't update automatically before, but I checked his page today and it magically includes the Release Date information I added yesterday. It seems that making changes to a Hero's data page takes approx. 10 minutes or so to actually update properly.
For Others: If you would like to edit a Hero's Infobox, there is an index of them on the following page: http://heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/Category:Imported_hero_data. JustLetMeEdit (talk) 22:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I just added the release date to the hero infobox earlier today, so that's why it didn't update before. Cruseydr (talk) 04:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I actually think the Data:Champions pages are the wrong place for that. If/when the data import will finally be fixed and no manual editing will be needed, those pages should be edit-protected (so only the bot should edit them once a patch). All values not part of the automatic import should be added to the individual hero pages so others can add/edit them. That however, will require the infobox itself to be cleaned up so it will be easier to maintain and edit. --Celellach (talk) 13:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
What do you mean with the bot-editing? Is this still happening?--LemonBaby (talk) 18:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

numbers missing everywhere[edit source]

i know that the boss becomes stronger the more time has passed on a map, same for units like dragon knight. im not sure though if this also applies to stuff like siege mercs? how big is the hp/damage increase per minute? how fast are towers regeneration ammunation? i heard rumors that the first golem in mines is limited in strenght and that collecting more than 60 skulls will only weaken your opponents (half value).

this wiki is full of unnecessary stuff like "Map Layout" "Announcer Quotes" but whenever i want to look up stuff that could affect my gameplay / tactics (and i really mean elementary stuff like minion HP / DMG) its not on here

Something that is "unnecessary" to you, might be relevant to someone else. This is a community-edited wiki, if the information is missing, go ahead an add it. --Celellach (talk) 10:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Skins/Mounts - mechanics[edit source]

You should add Skins/mounts to the mechanics list all the ones in game ones taken down to be worked on and ones that haven't been released yet not sure if I'm putting this in the right place — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slayer1737 (talkcontribs) 01:27, 16 August 2015‎

"Blizzard Entertainment" and "franchise"[edit source]

Since these are standard on many pages, I thought I'd post my thoughts here for discussion before sailing in and making changes.

The start of many pages includes a line like "...from the Blizzard Entertainment Warcraft franchise." Firstly, all heroes, battlegrounds, etc, which are from franchises are from Blizzard Entertainment franchises; because all franchises featured in Heroes are Blizzard Entertainment franchise. It therefore seems unnecessary to say "the Blizzard Entertainment Warcraft franchise" when we could say "the Warcraft franchise". The latter seems perfectly adequate, and the former a little redundant. Heroes was previously called "Blizzard All Stars", and that's still basically the concept; Blizzard is the source for everything.

Secondly, I would suggest replacing "franchise" with "universe". The reason is that while "franchise" speaks to a business model or intellectual property, "universe" speaks to the world and lore the hero/etc is taken from. Thrall comes from the Warcraft universe, with its own deity-like creators, the Twisting Nether, the Elemental Plane, its own concepts of the nature of life and death, magic and the elements. In contrast, Valla comes from the Diablo universe, with its Angels and Demons, its Lords of Sin and unique, strange magics (but no Titans or elemental lords); while Tracer comes from a futuristic Earth/real universe, albeit one where all sorts of sci-fi things are possible; and Raynor comes from an even further future real universe, which may or may not fit at all with the events of Overwatch. Each has its own worlds, mythology, and physical and magical constants. The word "franchise" doesn't really convey this, but I think "universe" does.

The result would be something like "Thrall, the Warchief of the Horde, is a melee assassin hero from the Warcraft universe." Thoughts? -- Taohinton (talk) 21:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you, "universe" has more sense than "franchise" or "Blizzard Entertainment franchise". --Kandooww (talk) 11:49, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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Help Making a New Page[edit source]

Can someone help me by providing me with some instructions on a easy way to make a page? — Sshezow (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

GamePedia is powered by MediaWiki, so you can start with the tutorials here: Help:EditingHelp:Starting a new pageRmkane (talk) 12:47, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Infoboxes[edit source]

What happened to the battleground infobox? They look broken on the pages... See Dragon Shire. --LemonBaby (talk) 14:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Request on the Admin noticeboard[edit source]

Perhaps this was missed? Heroes_of_the_Storm_Wiki:Admin_noticeboard#Request for a changeGame widow (talk) 19:52, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Armor[edit source]

Can we add the Armor to the Heroes Infobox? I dont know how to do it... The Template is kind of confusing... --LemonBaby (talk) 07:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I added a new armor parameter to the hero data and infobox templates. — Rmkane (talk) 14:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Can you also add a parameter that allows you to write "10 Armor", "10 Spell Armor" or "10 Physical Armor"?
Maybe you can help me out with two things:
  1. "Mana" is ´the source of Valeeras Spells on her page instead of "Energy". Can I change it?
  2. The Data pages were made when the stats scaled numerical. Now we have a percentage-based scaling. However, when I add a "%" to the Data page, an error appears on the page. Its the same with "Pre-Release" (see Tracer)... Anyway to fix this?--LemonBaby (talk) 06:54, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
I think including "Armor" in the value is redundant. I think a value followed by type (or nothing if it is all-around coverage) will suffice. It should be assumed that armor values are percentage based. This should be covered in the Armor page.
The different types of armor are:
Not sure how to change "Mana" to "Energy" for Valeera. This is the same case for Zarya. I assume that "Mana" is just the general term for any of hero's power. — Rmkane (talk) 13:14, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much!--LemonBaby (talk) 06:44, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Why the hell are level 20 numbers on heroes getting removed?[edit source]

Everywhere, it just says xxx (+4% / level) instead of yyy (xxx + 4% / level).

What's the point of removing useful information? — (talk) 18:48, 8 March 2017‎ (UTC)

Can you link to a Hero that violates this standard? — Rmkane (talk) 19:45, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Oh my... I am so sorry. I started working on this wiki a couple of weeks ago and I noticed that most talents and abilities were horrible outdated. Most of the cooldown, the trees, the mana costs and damages were outdated. I didnt know that the "yyy" were the lvl 20 numbers (and I think it is nowhere stated that they are...). I also dont know where to get those lvl 20 numbers. Most guides use the base damage... Can you show me how to get them and I will readd them? Maybe we should also state that they are the lvl 20 numbers in some way? --LemonBaby (talk) 06:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
I created a damage calculator a while ago. You input the base damage, multiplier and level; and it calculates the max damage. — Rmkane (talk) 13:30, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Wow, nice, thank you! I will use it! However, I think overall this Wiki is a high hurdle for newcomers... Why do we add a lvl 20 damage and not say it anywhere that those numbers refer to lvl 20? Why do we add the Heroes data on a Template if the Template is only used on the Heroes page? Why cant we at least write on each Heroes page (hidden) where to edit his/her data? I had a hard time at the beginning and I have the feeling we wont get any newcomers with those obstacles... As seen on this recent discussion on reddit: HoTS wiki help with editing talents? --LemonBaby (talk) 14:19, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
And another question: Why do we add the damage of abilities based on lvl 20 but not the health or the basic attack damage of that hero? Isnt that kind of confusing? And why not lvl 30 as the maximum possible? --LemonBaby (talk) 15:07, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
The max team level in a game is 30. You do not gain anymore levels that far into a game. Also, it is very rare for a game to go that long. — Rmkane (talk) 04:06, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Yes, thats my question. Why not give the minimum damage (lvl1) and the maximum damage (lvl30)? What about the health and the basic attack damage? Why lvl 1 here? --LemonBaby (talk) 05:30, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
"Why lvl 1 here?"
The low value is the raw damage; that is not level 1. Level 1 already applies a 4% scaling to the base damage (1.04 × base damage). —Rmkane (talk) 12:06, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Okay, now I get it. But how do you get those Informations as a new editor? Or how would anyone know that those numbers are for lvl 20? And again: What do the patch changes refer to? Base Damage/Health or Lvl 1 Damage/Health? --LemonBaby (talk) 14:03, 10 March 2017 (UTC)